Interview – Numéro Berlin https://www.numeroberlin.de Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:40:58 +0000 en-US hourly 1 WEEKEND MUSIC PT. 64: IN CONVERSATION WITH THE IRREPRESSIBLES https://www.numeroberlin.de/2025/08/weekend-music-pt-64-in-conversation-with-the-irrepressibles/ Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:40:57 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=63346 The Irrepressibles

With Yo Homo! Jamie Irrepressible tore open the borders of queer indie rock – melding punk fire, symphonic beauty, and raw desire into what critics hailed as “a milestone in queer music.” Now, with Yo Homo Deluxe – out today on Of Naked Design Records – The Irrepressibles return with a bolder, more expansive vision. This new edition adds fresh tracks and alternate versions that push the record’s radical celebration of sexuality, sensuality, and queer empowerment even further.

Known for blending music, image, and performance into a single emotional landscape, Jamie has long stood at the intersection of art, desire, and freedom. From the viral beauty of In This Shirt to the visceral urgency of Ecstasy Homosexuality and What I Am, Queer!, The Irrepressibles have become one of the defining voices of unapologetic queer expression in contemporary music.

For Numéro Berlin, Jamie speaks about desire as resistance, queer joy as a weapon, and why Yo Homo Deluxe is more than just an album

Numéro Berlin: Yo Homo Deluxe expands on a record already called a queer milestone. What did you want to push further with this edition?

Jamie Irrepressible: There were tracks that were part of the same world and message that I wanted to add to the record and some of the tracks on the initial digital release I wanted to improve on before it was set onto CD and could no longer be altered.

Your music blends erotic energy with symphonic beauty. How do you keep it raw but still cinematic?

There’s always a sense of catharsis or raw emotion as the focus of my songwriting and then I orchestrate what I call a landscape around this that holds the emotion of the words and the meaning of the song.

What I Am, Queer! feels like both a love letter and a battle cry. What inspired that balance of tenderness and defiance?

It’s about humanity as the resounding morality. Far too many supposed moralities lack humanity or a true sense of compassion and care.

“What makes us human is our ability to care, empathize and feel different to the next person and appreciate their difference”

I think we lose sight of this often in the interests of being the same, fitting in, or feeling like we belong, rather than celebrating what makes us different. Life would be very dull if we were all just the same. So, it’s about owning this difference, how it’s your nature, and how you accept that the next person is different to you.

You invited queer string players and allies to join you for Pride. Why was community participation so important this time?

I feel we live in a time of so much corporate and manufactured music. It’s nice to reach out and do something as an indie band that connects a sense of community beyond what we are constantly pushed from mainly American corporations through their social media platforms.

If Yo Homo Deluxe were a single visual – an outfit, a pose, or a scene – what would it be?
“It’s definitely trying to continue a line from those queer LGBTQI artists we lost in the 80s to the Aids pandemic. A sense of reclaiming our voice in music and culture rather than the manufactured pop one”
Earlier songs were romantic and dreamlike, while Yo Homo! is much bolder. What sparked that shift?

The desire to put into music desire. To make a record about being homosexual with a focus on the sexual. The part we often shield from the straight world out of shame. But that is so much the thrust of most straight music. It’s record by and for the queer community. My earlier work though always openly homosexual was always focused on the beauty and love of being in love with other men.

Desire runs through the album – sometimes soft, sometimes fierce. Do you see desire today as political, personal, or both?

I think for me simply there’s a chance to make a record like this and it be heard. Whereas it would have had to be more coded in the past, more disguised.

Looking at your journey from Mirror Mirror to now, what future do you want to help create for queer art and expression?

My aim is to be part of the message. To be part of the story and the personal story of queer people. In the past to make music that inspires greater connection and appreciation of the naturalness of queer sexuality but with this record it’s like a space away to be fully ourselves.

Your music is often labelled “genre-defying.” How do you interpret that, and how would you describe your sound?

For me genre is just a means to express different emotions. On this record I use grunge/rock/punk distorted guitars as they express the sexual and visceral so well for me. On earlier records I used orchestral instrumentation to create the space for intense internal emotion and sorrow. I’m very interested in different genre’s currently to express other spaces that hold different senses of time space, lineage, and emotion. I will always be Irrepressible in my way of working with music.

Visuals have always been central to The Irrepressibles. How does fashion or style feed into your songwriting?

I love allowing other visual artists to collaborate and take the music into film, or a photograph, or design an outfit that fits the sonic. For me that’s what is so great about pop music. It’s where fashion, art, and music collide.

You’ve worked with artists from Röyksopp to Tinlicker. What have collaborations taught you about your own voice?

In an early collaboration with another dance artist, I started to explore singing in falsetto rather than head voice which sits much better in electronica. I used to sing more often in head voice / countertenor with guitar and classical music as it loud and powerful, but the soft falsetto voice works best in electronic close mic music. Royksopp were and are the wind beneath my wings in the studio. They are respectful, kind, and enthusiastic – it was pure joy to work with them, a high even. They are wizards with the sound and craft of electronic music. With Tinlicker we have only worked online. They send me instrumentals which I compose lyrics and melodies over. Again, I adore their work and the collabs we made together.

Live performance has been key to your story. How do you want audiences to feel after leaving a Yo Homo show?

Empowered and full of joy! We’re very excited about the shows at EarTH tonight (Friday 29th August) and in Manchester on Sunday (31st August.)

The new album is coming out today, just in time for this interview. Check it out!

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FIGHT ISSUE VOL. B – DESTROY LONELY https://www.numeroberlin.de/2025/08/fight-issue-vol-b-destroy-lonely/ Thu, 28 Aug 2025 15:56:26 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=60875

MYSTERY MAKES MYTH

DESTROY LONELY IN CONVERSATION WITH HELLA SCHNEIDER

ASK A KID ONLINE AND THERE’S NOTHING MORE “CULTURE” THAN OPIUM. AND THERE’S NO ONE MORE OPIUM THAN DESTROY LONELY, EXEPT PERHAPS PLAYBOI CARTI, THE FOUNDER OF THE INFLUENTIAL RECORD LABEL, THAT IS – OF COURSE – MUCH MORE THAN THAT, A LOOK, A VIBE, A SOUND, A CULT, SO TO SAY. MOVING BETWEEN THE DARKNESS AND THE LIGHT, A HEAVY RICHNESS AND AN AIRY SIMPLICITY, BOTH IN TERMS OF MUSIC AND AESTHETICS, DESTROY LONELY IS NOT ONE FOR BLUNT TRUTHS, DESPITE THE OPIUM STAMPS AND BOXES HE TENDS TO BE SEEN IN. HE IS A MYSTERY AND HE IS NOT, AND THAT’S WHAT MAKES THE MYTH, NO F I G H T NEEDED.

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I heard you’ve been in the studio with your Opium fellow Ken Carson these days – people are obviously hyped about what’s to come.

I feel like we should have done this a long time ago. Hopefully it’ll come out at some point this year.

Does the outcome feel very different when you’re in the studio with him other than when you’re on your own? I imagine you guys potentially feeling like a unity anyway.

It’s definitely a unity kind of thing. I’ve been recording with Ken my whole career, and it never feels unnatural or weird. We just push each other to go harder.

You’re both essential parts of Opium, Playboi Carti’s record label that’s much more than a record label. People like to call it a cult, for different reasons. You have described it as family.

Opium is a family thing and a blessing and an opportunity and a responsibility and a job. For me, the main aspect is family, but the only thing that has changed over time is that it has become this huge thing in culture, so that for all of us, it is becoming a responsibility to keep pushing things forward. For me personally, it means staying on top of myself as an artist and staying in tune with what we’re doing as a label.

Does it ever feel limiting? Can Opium be both a blessing and a curse?

Hell no – I was Opium before I was Opium. It’s part of my life, and I wouldn’t change it for nothing. I signed with Opium for a reason.

If I ever felt like there would be any negatives to it, I would have never signed. Opium matches what I am as a person anyway

– people like to dumb it down to aesthetics or a certain sound, but for me, this shit is in my blood.

HS From your internal point of view, what makes something or someone Opium?

From your internal point of view, what makes something or someone Opium?

The only thing that is Opium is us – we don’t wake up in the morning and think about what might be the most Opium thing. That’s

a very internet way of looking at it. Yes, there is the sound, the swag, the vibes, the aesthetics – but that’s just us being us, and then

people want to take that and run with it. That’s their own labels that they put on.

Does it come easy to you to stay connected to yourself?

The more I grow as an artist, the more I try to become even more connected with myself. There are a lot of outside factors that can get in your way and make you think differently about certain things. So for me, there is an urgency to always stay true to life. To who I am as Bobby. The further I go down this road, I know that’s what got me here. I want to make sure I stay true to that forever. I don’t ever want to wake up one day and look in the mirror and have to think: Man, what the fuck am I doing? It’s important for me to be with my family, be at home.

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You also strike me as an artist with a – let’s say – timeless approach.

I try to be as timeless as possible. I believe in longevity more than anything, but I go through phases of myself. One album or a couple months of the year, I want to sound or look like this, and then maybe right after that, I want to sound or look like something else. But it’s all just evolved versions of myself and what I see in my head. But the big umbrella to it all is timelessness and longevity. I still want to be Destroy Lonely when I’m, like, 65.

Are there any words you like to put on the timeless elements in both your sound and your aesthetics?

I try to tell my story or a version of my story that’s in tune with what’s going on with either my life in the moment or just the mess of youth. I aim to keep it broad enough so a lot of people can relate to it. And then I feel like with that, that’s how you break through with timelessness. Because if somebody can relate to it now and it’s easily digestible, then maybe a kid in 20 years would also still be able to relate to it. I experience that myself. I’m currently going through a phase of finding a lot of old music and old musicians – rock stars – that I’m just now learning to love. And these records were made decades ago, but they’re still resonating with me today.

Which rock stars?

Ozzy Osbourne, Mötley Crüe, Marilyn Manson. A bunch of different acts, but always people that stayed true to what they loved and what they wanted to present to the world.

I mean, that’s the quintessential idea of rock’n’roll – being true to yourself and your expression and supposedly not caring. It’s more an idea than a genre, in some ways, and it’s not surprising that this is having a moment.

It just grew in its own timelessness and today there’s people like us from Opium. Everything evolves. Energy can’t be destroyed. When you have something as legendary as rock’n’roll, it’s always gonna come back as something new. It will be the same with rap.

Rap is in a crisis right now, for sure.

I agree. It’s because there’s just not a lot of pure, natural inspiration anymore. That’s at least my take on it. I don’t want to be pretentious or self righteous, but I feel like after the boom around the likes of me and Ken and other artists from our specific generation, it just turned into everybody wanting to be this. And everybody wants to be famous and everybody wants to copy whatever already worked and just do it as quickly as possible. It does a disservice to the culture and the genre. I remember when I started, it was just purely inspiration. I just wanted to share who I thought I was to the world. Not for money, not to look cool. It was just what was in me. Whereas I now feel like a lot of artists, new and even established, don’t even care about the love for making music no more. It’s just simply about a check or a show or a brand deal or to sell clothes or shoes. Everybody looks at it more so as a business now and there’s just no inspiration or love for artistry anymore.

And just by the simple laws of energy, this can’t work long term.

No, not at all.

Even though – unfortunately – on the other hand, with the dynamics of social media and internet culture, it is at least working in the moment.

Definitely. I feel like social media single-handedly, completely murdered art. I hate what social media has done to music or art in general. And I am saying this even though I don’t think I would be as prominent or exist as I do without social media. But there definitely are a lot of negatives that come with how fast everything moves.

“A LOT OF ARTISTS, NEW AND EVEN ESTABLISHED, DON’T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE LOVE FOR MAKING MUSIC NO MORE. IT’S JUST SIMPLY ABOUT A CHECK OR A SHOW OR A BRAND DEAL OR TO SELL CLOTHES OR SHOES. I FEEL LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA SINGLE-HANDEDLY, COMPLETELY MURDERED ART. I HATE WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS DONE TO MUSIC OR ART IN GENERAL. AND I AM SAYING THIS EVEN THOUGH I DON’T THINK I WOULD BE AS PROMINENT OR EXIST AS I DO W I T H O U T 
S O C I A L   M E D I A . ”

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All of you Opium guys seem to have basically hacked internet culture through scarcity. The mystery is a big part of the fascination and obsession.

We just don’t want to over-saturate. I don’t want to be in everybody’s face all day. When I have something to show, I want my fans to dive into it. Other than that, I feel like being present online is pointless.

With the influence you have, has it grown harder to stay connected to your fans?

I still get to do things such as seeing my fans in person – after the shows I’ll talk to them, I’ll get to meet a random kid who will tell me about themselves or their day or what they want to do. And then maybe I store that in the back of my head and it might give me motivation to create something. I might feel like creating a specific song for them. And then that ends up reaching millions of people later. Having this wider view of what’s going on also makes a lot of things easier, whereas when you’re just starting, it’s only you and whatever is inspiring you and you just go off yourself.

IIs there a certain heaviness to the influence?

There is a weight on my shoulders, but it’s not a bad weight. I would compare it to carrying your favorite designer bag that you almost don’t want to carry because it’s so precious, but you also love it so much. You’re just concerned constantly because you don’t want to mess it up. In my head, I definitely have a lot of back and forth of making the wrong moves or setting myself back or even just leading people the wrong way sometimes. I don’t look at myself as a role model but I also don’t ever want somebody to feel like I influenced them to do something bad. So I always take into account how I carry myself and how much that means to a kid that looks up to me.

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Are you a spiritual person?

Super spiritual. More spiritual than anything.

What do you believe in?

To simplify it: Throughout anything you do in life, you get out what you put in. I always make sure I stand on the good side of the universe, I always strive for positivity. There are a lot of times where I could think myself into the darkest place, but I just have to look at the end goal and make sure I get there and not let the noise make me crazy.

Do you rather use the term universe than God?

I believe in a lot of different things and a lot of different ways of life. So I don’t use the universe as a replacement for God. But I feel like the universe gives you certain things and then God gives you certain things. It just depends on how you play the game.

Is the darkness that people see in you something internal or something external?

I think the darkness is just a certain reflection of me. The Opiumish things that people like to see are just resonating to how I feel on the inside. I always just like darker things, I like rainy days over sunny days, I like nighttime more than daytime. That’s just who I am as a person. But there isn’t necessarily too much to it. There are people who like to wear pink shoes and rainbow clothes and we just like black.

Do you still find obscure or uncanny influences anywhere? It seems like everyone is pulling the same references these days, like everything is mainstream now, basically.

Everything has been done before and everyone has already dipped and dabbled into everything under the sun. So I don’t even look for the most uncanny or obscure. I just look for the most comfortable and most genuine. If something speaks to me it speaks to me, and I’ll be running with it.

What’s the last thing that blew your mind?

I usually love movies, but there hasn’t been any movie made within the last ten years I truly would have loved. Same for video games, actually.

I heard you recently went to Berghain.

Oh, yes, that actually blew my mind!

I am glad to hear that.

That’s definitely different, yes. There is no other place on earth where you can be so yourself, no matter who you are.

As cliché as it sounds, there is so much beauty in a place being all about freedom.

Yes, and for that specific reason, it blew my mind. It’s individuality, it’s great music, it’s a crazy sound system, it’s people doing whatever the fuck they want. No rules. People like to dumb it down to the erotic side of it, but it’s so much deeper than that. It’s individuality and freedom and everything that comes with that is whatever comes with it, but this is what is the purpose. And I’ve been in a lot of rave places, but nothing is like Berghain.

People might be surprised you’d be into techno.

I love it. I love music, genuinely. I take bits and pieces of it and put it into my own music however I can, wherever I see a fit. All genres of music speak to me.

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IN CONVERSATION WITH LORD SPIKEHEART https://www.numeroberlin.de/2025/08/in-conversation-with-lord-spikeheart/ Mon, 25 Aug 2025 14:59:46 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=63205 “I’m very hungry, ambitious, and aggressive.”

Redefining your understanding of – and connection with music, Lord Spikeheart is once again proving how intertwined sounds are with emotions, cultural appreciation and representation. While his last LP The Adept is still lingering in our minds and echoing in our heads, Lord Spikeheart is ready to provide us with a new experience that delves into his most intimate reflections with his new EP REIGN. Also released under his record label Haekalu Records, we will be able to immerse ourselves in the full experience at the debut presentation and performance at the Berlin Atonal Festival, happening this week in Berlin. Numéro Berlin couldn’t wait to find out more about the inspiration, his cosmos, how he transforms emotions, and what we should expect from the experience. We had the pleasure to talk to Lord Spikeheart aka Martin Kanja and can definitely assure you: this release is one to be excited about.

Franka Magon: Dogs that bark don’t bite. As a musician moving between metal, grindcore, rap, and techno, filling your music with growls and screams, does that make you a secret softie?
Martin Kanja: Yeah haha I would say so. For me music is just a way of expressing, it’s an art form. I’m completely different, I’m just a regular guy, maybe sensitive, sometimes dramatic but a normal person.
Your music is anything but calm; it is filled with chaotic energy. How do you find spiritual cleansing in this sensory overload? For many, that would seem like a contradiction.

That’s how I am inside. These sounds, these frequencies and all this vibration that’s what goes on inside of myself. When I’m asleep and I’m dreaming it’s always like these intense scenes and these spiritual situations.

I get a lot of calmness from my music. Like with meditation, I’m very present and there’s no thinking.

“People use affirmations to empower themselves, to change their mental paradigms and to have this self-esteem. Most of my lyrics are like this, they’re like self-hypnosis, like confessing to yourself all these thoughts and ideas that empower you and increase your potential, your power, and your control in this world.”
Is it ever calm inside of you?

I am always already visualizing situations before, so when they happen, I’m very comfortable in them. This is when my brain goes quiet. When it happens it’s just like I am in control, it’s like lucid dreaming.

Faith plays an important role for you. The church as an institution does not necessarily stand for freedom, but often for restriction. Your music is about reclaiming freedom, how do you endure this ambiguity?

I came from a very religious background, we used to read the Bible back-to-back. I reached a point in my life whereby I had more questions than I could get answers for, and it was better to live life and have these experiences through music, instead of just being told how life should be.

We started doing this kind of music to just do something we love. And no one understood it, everyone was telling us not to do, this is not good for you, you’re getting lost, you’re going into the darkness. But it was important to me. So you’d rather do it because at the end of the day, you only have one life and you will be alone in the last minute. So why not just live for you.

How would you describe your faith today?

I just believe we are one. I believe we should help each other out and be kind to each other because it’s just been getting darker and darker through the ages. I think we should start believing once again in mankind and humans bro.

In Germany we feel a growing radicalization of opinion, and it seems to be a global phenomenon. Much of it is driven by anger. Anger feels omnipresent, it is everywhere: politically, in the media. How do you respond to that anger in your music and to what extent is your music about love?
“You can’t fight flames with more flames and more fire, you know. We need a different element.”

In our music, in the shows it’s all about oneness, equality, coming together and appreciating each other across all these different dynamic backgrounds and all these places where we’ve all come from. Everything that is wrong was indoctrinated to us, it was taught, people came here pure. At the end of the day, we should always come back to being together as one and enjoying the energy and the vibration.

I believe whatever you put out comes back to you and I’ve seen it in my lyrics: I would write some lyrics and then they would happen to me in real life, so I’m very careful with what I put in the music. If you go through the lyrics and if you see the videos and the message behind it, it’s very encouraging and uplifting music, honestly.

Do you feel an anger that for a musician in a western country it’s easier to gain success or to get a financial outcome than it might have been for you?

No, I don’t feel anger at all. I feel more of empowerment and inspiration, like motivated. It puts me at an advantage that I don’t have any advantage. I have a different mindset. I’m very hungry, ambitious, and aggressive.

Your great-grandmother is an inspiring figure to you, and you dedicated your debut album to her. She was the first female field marshal during the Mau Mau rebellion. In another interview you said she and the men by her side kept fighting even after the war was officially over because they simply could not imagine it had ended. Have you ever found yourself in a similar situation, where you just couldn’t stop, because fighting had become second nature?

Yes, I have many times, being an entrepreneur and also a musician at the same time running a label, making music, you know, there’s a lot of challenges. I had lots of people saying “quit, go back home, give up, you know, that’s it, man, it’s never gonna work”.

But I always told myself I’ve come so far. It’s too late now, we are in too deep. At some point, you just realize that you’ve worked so hard, and you’ve sacrificed so much. I came to respecting that and celebrating the wins along the way.

What advice do you have for other young artists, whose life is also filled with lots of fights and anger?
Remember why you started doing it, remember that your potential is huge, no one has any idea what your potential can achieve and whatever it is you’re going through it’s temporary, everything in life is temporary, life itself is temporary. It will pass no matter how dark it looks. Just keep pushing, just keep doing it for the right reasons. Be authentic. Be original.
What can people expect from your new EP and your performance at the Atonal Festival in Berlin?

My new EP and my new performances are an extension of my first album’s themes of the Mau Mau and how they went through the tough, tough colonial times when they were fighting against the oppressors.

We are exploring narratives of abuse, control, displacement, betrayal, loss of land, loss of freedom, and loss of culture. Colonization brought so much loss.

We are also trying to address themes of reclamation, hope, resistance, and renewal. Renewal is a powerful response to the inequalities that happened, all the oppression and systemic violence that had occurred.

We are doing an audio-visual show with NMR CC that’s going to be to be merged with the music, which is going to create a whole universal world that people can travel into, experiencing this message we have and understanding it as a warning.

Its a cautionary tale of what can happen if we don’t stand for our things and our culture, how we can get eroded and how we should always protect and achieve total control of what we have lost, so the future generations can also enjoy it.

That’s beautiful, thank you for talking to Numéro, we are excited for your new EP and performance.
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WEEKEND MUSIC PT. 63: IN CONVERSATION WITH AUDREY HOBERT https://www.numeroberlin.de/2025/08/weekend-music-pt-63-in-conversation-with-audrey-hobert/ Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:56:49 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=61763

Audrey Hobert’s music is what was missing in your saved songs. Her tracks hit your headphones with just the right amount of pace, sass, and authenticity. Last week she released her own debut album, but Hobert has already written music for a while: For and with her best friend Gracie Abrams, fellow well-known pop artist, or also singer, and her brother, Malcom Todd. But now, she’s stepping out front with her own album called “Who’s the Clown?”, made alongside producer Ricky Gourmet.

She’s funny, she’s real, and she brings a fresh new voice to the pop landscape. We got to chat with Audrey in Berlin about releasing her own music this summer, working with friends, and on who’s the clown.
Numéro Berlin: You’ve kept the album a secret for so long, but now it’s finally out – how do you feel?

Audrey Hobert: I’m so happy right now. I really am. It’s funny because when Ricky and I were making it, it was so much fun to do. The thought that it was also going to be equally exciting to finally get to talk about it never came up. I don’t know, I just thought nothing could be more fun than making it, but now that I’m getting to talk about it and do stuff like this, I’m like, oh, it’s all very fun. 

What do you think you’ll do once everything is out there?

I mean, I’ll definitely play shows. I have things I would like to do in terms of TV and like certain performances – a wish list. But yeah, definitely I’m going to put on concerts and have fun in that way.

When was the moment you knew you were going to make an album?

I decided that I would be doing my own project after I wrote “Sex and the City”, which took a full week. Back then, there was not a record label really in the conversation. It was more like, I had finished writing this song, then sought out Ricky, asked if he would make it with me. And two months later is when I started to feel, I guess, more pressure. I thought it was just making an EP, but when I started to get record label attention, I knew that it was in my best interest to make an album. But still, I just was really having fun the entire time.

Was it always a given you’d go into something creative?

Yeah. I didn’t think there would be a world in which I wasn’t doing something creative, but I have a lot of interests. I really like to edit. I like to direct. I like to write. I like to sing. I like to dance. I like so many things. And the fact that I’m actually getting to do all of it in this career is, it’s like, I keep saying it, but it’s the best job I’ve ever had, for sure. Because I’ve had other more normal jobs and this is by far, I mean, it’s crazy.

For your single “Wet Hair”, you shot and edited the video yourself – what was that process like?

Yes, I shot it entirely at home! I have four music videos in my contract. We had done the “Sue me” music video, the “Bowling Alley” music video and then lastly the “Thirst Trap” music video. I still wanted to do something for “Wet Hair”. So I just filmed for a few weeks randomly if I was in the mood and then I would sort of edit it as I went. And it was actually really fun to do. 

For music videos, do you have a vision in your head for each song? Each video looks different for sure.

I like to challenge myself to do something different each time. Even though I definitely feel like I have a style that I like and an identity. It’s interesting for me to try and change things up for the songs I’m making videos for.

But yeah, usually there are certain songs on the album that I will kind of naturally have ideas for videos. And then, for instance, the video that we just shot, and I’m editing right now, is for “Thirst Trap”. And that was a song that I didn’t naturally have an idea for a video, but I knew it was going to be the album single.

So I would walk around my neighborhood and listen to the song and just try and see things. And now it’s turned out to be totally different from the others.

You’re a very funny person and humor does show up a lot in your songs, but are there also songs that are a bit more sad or serious on the album?

My song “Sex in the City” is sonically a little slower. When Ricky and I were making it, we called it our Stadium Somber, you know, there’s not a dark tone to it and it’s not really sad either. And I have a hard time writing a sad song because I don’t want to sit in the feeling of self pity for too long. I need to find a way to make it okay for the protagonist or make it all make sense. So that would be probably the one that I would classify as more like that, but it’s not really sad and there’s a lot of jokes in it and I need to be making myself laugh as I write a song or else I get bored.

The lyrics of the song say that “this isn’t Sex in the City”, but which fictional universe would you feel most at home in?

I mean, I feel like “Sex in the City” is one that so many people feel. But then also “Girls”, and I wouldn’t mind living in “Friends” or “The Office”. I love television, and New York!

How do you notice that your background in screenwriting influences your songwriting as well?

I studied screenwriting for four years. But I also think some people are born with like a natural sense for story, and I think I am one of those people. Then also to getting to study it for four years, you just learn so much, not just by like being in a classroom and being taught, but by being given what to read and what to watch. I’m very interested in story and kind of all the millions of ways you can tell an amazing story. So I think it’s just naturally in me.

Where is your ideal writing spot?

It depends. I mean, if I’m really like hunkering down and working on a song, I’m usually at my desk in my house. And I’ll just stay there. But I also get ideas a lot out in public. So, I wrote a lot of “Sue me” at a coffee shop. When I was still living near the beach, and I was stuck on something, I would go walk for miles along the beach and just listen to the instrumental in my headphones and write on my notes app. Or I write in my car a lot. I’m kind of like writing songs everywhere I go.

You’ve written a lot with Gracie – was it a shift writing solo or something you’ve always done behind the scenes? In the end – its never a one person job, you also worked with Ricky Gourmet to produce the album – but then, with the intention of creating music for yourself, was it harder than writing for somebody else?

Yeah, it was definitely a shift where I had only ever written with Gracie. And then when her and I wrapped up writing songs for her album, she went on to promote it and put it out, and I still had the urge to write. So I just tried doing it by myself and also writing with people, both are so fun.

But when I’m writing by myself, I’m the only person deciding if the line is good enough. I’m the only person deciding if the melody feels right.

And I’ve historically written alone when it comes to scripts and stuff, even though I do love to collaborate. And what was also so great about the arrangement with Ricky was that he totally respected that I needed to go home to write and then I would come back and bring him a song. And then the fun collaborative part was making it with him and building the instrumental. I got both sides of the coin, which was the best part. 

What have you learned from the people around you in creating music together?

I mean, I wouldn’t be doing this if it weren’t for Gracie. I had not written a song before her. And it was such fun with her, that it made me want to keep doing it. So I will always be indebted to her.

And from Ricky … The entire time we were making the album, the thought would cross my mind multiple times a day: “I don’t think anything more special has ever happened to anybody.” It just was that kind of connection that I had with him. And we would just laugh all day. But also, his depth was as deep as mine. And we could just have interesting conversations, but then not talk at all.

And I would not have been able to do this with anybody else. He became one of my best friends, too. I mean, we barely knew each other when we started. And now he is like family, and just one of the most special, special people to me. And the whole thing, even when it was hard work, still every day, I was so excited to see him and to work with him.

I can’t believe that there’s a world in which people make an entire body of work with one other person and don’t feel that way about them. It’s because it’s so intimate. It’s such intense work sometimes, but it also should be really light hearted and fun.

Who do you make music for?

I’m always thinking about young people and particularly maybe a young person who is like having a hard time at school or not quite sure who they are or maybe they know who they are, but there is something about the current state of their life that makes them feel like they need to be different. I feel like I’ve gone through that and have throughout my youth sort of felt like I maybe need to dull myself down sometimes or not show so much interest in something because it might be embarrassing. And it’s really a waste of energy to feel that way. The faster you accept exactly who you are, the more fun I think you have in general.

We have been seeing you play some acoustic concerts now already and I do think you have a big stage presence with just the guitar. Do you have any crazy visions or dreams on how you’d like to stage your concerts in the future?

Well, I love theater. And so I am really, really hopeful that I can put on a show in the future that feels kind of theatrical.

And I just really enjoy the suspension of disbelief that happens when you walk into a theater, and kind of the attention that that medium demands of an audience member. I’m gonna play a lot of shows in my life. And the more successful I am, the more money I’ll have to put on the dream show I want.

But in the meantime, I think it’s important that I’m having fun on stage, and I’m feeling free to be myself.

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The Shape of the Space Between (Us) https://www.numeroberlin.de/2025/08/anna-lena-krause-jessica-luostarinennot-a-thread-a-promise/ Mon, 18 Aug 2025 16:07:51 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=62782 A choreography of absence : Anna-Lena Krause and Jessica Luostarinen on exploring touch without touching

In their recent collaborative performance following the exhibition Not a Thread, a Promise at Shipton Gallery, painter Jessica Luostarinen and multidisciplinary artist Anna-Lena Krause delve into the charged space between bodies – where proximity, distance, and absence unfold as both emotional and physical states.

Luostarinen, known for her introspective, rich in symbolism, paintings that explore identity and emotional rituals, brings a sensitivity to surface, gesture, and the quiet construction of selfhood. Krause, whose practice spans sculpture, photography, and performance, approaches human connection through a behavioural and psychological lens, investigating how we relate, withdraw, and seek closeness in a hyper-mediated world.

Together, they move beyond the boundaries of their respective mediums to create a performance that weaves choreography, spoken word, video, and sculpture into a shared language of tension and restraint. What results is not a story of touch, but of its absence – of gestures that nearly connect, of spaces that resonate louder than contact.

Writer Marien Brandon spoke with the artists about how this collaboration came to life, what it revealed about their practices, and why sometimes the most powerful moments lie in what is not said, not shown, not touched.

Marien Brandon: Following your joint exhibition Not a Thread, a Promise at Shipton Gallery, you chose to bring the concept of proximity, form, and the uneasy space between bodies into live performance. How did this evolution from exhibition to performance come about? Was it important for you to step away from the materiality of painting and sculpture in order to explore these ideas fully?

Jessica Luostarinen: The idea to do a performance came quite naturally. We were already thinking about tension, closeness, and transformation through our work, so it made sense to explore those ideas in a live, bodily way. I think performance allowed the themes to breathe and exist in a more active, fragile space. It added a strong emotional charge. As a painter, I’m used to freezing a moment. The performance let us live inside the in-between moments – the becoming, the almost, the hesitation. It also shifted how we related to the work; we became the work. That felt like a powerful step away from the safety of our usual materials and processes.

When I paint, so much happens internally. I pour a lot of personal stories and emotional connections into the canvas, and it’s often a very private space. Creating the performance with Anna-Lena was a completely different experience – it asked me to externalise my thoughts, be present in the moment, and feed off each other’s creative energy. I think it’s always fascinating when artists come together. It pushes you out of your comfort zone and opens space for new ways of thinking and making. Anna-Lena and I are close friends, so it felt really special to explore how our friendship and artistic practices could merge and bring these shared themes to life through performance.

 

Anna-Lena Krause: The sculptures and the performance are two parts of the same inquiry. With the exhibition, I was thinking through form – how bodies hold tension, how we construct shapes to contain or protect ourselves. But performance allowed me to test those ideas in time and space, not just in material. It made sense to expand from static forms to choreographed movement, where proximity isn’t frozen but constantly shifts.

Marien Brandon: How do your distinct artistic practices — one rooted in painting, the other in sculpture — come together through this collaborative exhibition? And how did that dialogue evolve in the context of the performance?

Anna-Lena Krause: Jessica’s practice is grounded in painting, mine in sculpture and performance – but we’re both drawn to how bodies interact with surface and space. What we share is a fascination with the body and its boundaries – what it reveals, what it withholds. That became our meeting point. I’ve been working with performance for quite a while, whereas for Jessica this was her first time. But that difference opened up an interesting dialogue – an inquiry shaped by curiosity rather than habit. Our collaboration didn’t begin with a concept but with positioning: what happens when two figures share space but don’t touch? It became a kind of spatial listening.

 

Jessica Luostarinen: We approached the show from different angles – me from flat surfaces and internal symbolism, Anna-Lena from physical material and structure. But our work overlaps emotionally. My armour paintings explore themes of protection, identity, and vulnerability – how we build emotional or psychological shields to move through the world. In a way, they ask: what do we put on to feel safe? What do we reveal, and what do we hide?

Anna-Lena’s sculptures felt like a natural counterpart to that. They have this powerful, quiet presence – almost like they’re holding something invisible but heavy. There’s a tension between softness and solidity in her forms that really resonated with the emotional weight I was painting. It felt like our works were in conversation from the start – even before the performance – both circling around ideas of containment and exposure, but through very different materials and processes. The performance allowed those languages to touch. We both had to let go of our individual processes a bit and create something that sat in between. There was real intimacy in learning to meet each other creatively in a new format. It became its own kind of artwork.

Oscar B Morgan on Music : “Anna-Lena’s multidisciplinary practice lends itself so readily to sonic interpretation. It’s rich with the kind of cultural and textural anchors that make the collaborative process dynamic and exciting. Our shared concerns regarding tension, space, and form — and in turn, how these themes interact with one another — meant there was a lot of crossover when it came to shaping something together.” @oscarbmorgan__

Marien Brandon: The performance weaves together choreography, video, and spoken word. Did you feel a need to step outside the traditional boundaries of your mediums and explore a more fluid, interdisciplinary form of expression?

Jessica Luostarinen: Definitely. It felt freeing to break out of our usual frameworks. For me, it was like shifting from painting a scene to being in the scene. The combination of sound, movement, and video projection helped hold the more abstract feelings we were exploring – connection, discomfort, near-touch. The performance made the concepts more visceral. It wasn’t about showing an idea, it was about embodying it. We wanted the audience to experience those tensions through their senses, not just think about them.

 

Anna-Lena Krause: The performance needed all three – movement, voice, and video (and for me, sculpture) – because none alone could fully articulate what we were trying to feel. It wasn’t about showing bodies in motion, but about what resists motion: hesitation, withdrawal, anticipation. I had been reflecting on the idea of form – what holds, what slips – for months before we began. That process shaped the structure of the piece and led me to invite Jessica in. Her work brought in another register, another way of thinking through bodies and perception.

I wrote the spoken word piece early on – it became a kind of anchor. One core idea was to focus on negative space: the intangible gap between bodies. We’re quick to name objects – a tree, a chair, a person. But what fascinates me is the invisible space between them – the part we lack language for, yet constantly live through.

The video, partially created through AI, added yet another layer – showing what had already happened, or what might have happened. Misalignment became a way to reflect how perception is always partial. There’s a difference between being in a moment, seeing it, and retelling it. The video acted less like a tool and more like a presence – a third entity rethinking the material. That randomness echoed the unreliable structure of memory and encounter. We think something happened one way, but we tell it differently later. We see what we expect. We remember what we need. Working across mediums was about drawing attention to the instability of perception. By using different languages – movement, image, voice – for the same situation, I wanted to expose the space between them – how form isn’t fixed, but constantly reshaping itself under the pressure of relation.

Marien Brandon: Bodies in space — how they exist, relate, or fail to connect — have been a recurring theme in your work. What draws you to this subject? Can you trace where this fascination began?

Anna-Lena Krause: This question has followed me for years: What remains when presence begins to fade? I think it began while caring for my father, who lived with Alzheimer’s. I became attuned to how presence and absence coexist. You’re there. And not. I was holding him, but also holding a memory. And eventually, just the absence of it. That experience made me sensitive to bodies in space – not just how they move, but how they fail to connect. How gestures misalign. How nearness doesn’t guarantee intimacy. It’s not about answers. It’s about staying with the question.

 

Jessica Luostarinen: In my paintings, I explore these ideas through symbolism like armour – ways we protect or present ourselves to others. Maybe the interest comes from growing up sensitive to what wasn’t said, or how people show up emotionally in shared space. It’s something I’ve carried into my work.

Rosie Broadhead on Outfits : “The beige and grey t-shirt and underwear worn during the performance are familiar, everyday garments, designed to sit close to the body. Produced on a flatbed knitting machine, they are constructed from two different yarns that create tonal, ergonomic patterns on the fabric. The algae-based yarn, known for its therapeutic benefits to the skin, functions as a membrane, forming a protective layer between the body and the world.” @rosiebroadhead_

Marien Brandon: The themes you explore — proximity, distance, absence — are deeply abstract, yet the performance makes them feel tangible. How do you translate such concepts into embodied reality? Were there any unexpected challenges or limitations in bringing this piece to life?

Jessica Luostarine:
We worked a lot with minimal gestures and repetition – things that created tension through slowness or what was left out. The challenge was to stay subtle and resist doing too much. We didn’t want it to feel like a performance in a theatrical sense – it was more about holding a shared atmosphere.

Using phones and projection added another layer, raising questions about what it means to be present in a digital world. Are we really here, physically and emotionally? Or are we constructing a kind of artificial presence through screens? It felt like the performance wasn’t just exploring proximity between bodies, but also how technology reshapes our sense of connection and immediacy. It blurred the line between being seen and being mediated. There’s something really powerful about standing close to someone and not touching. The absence becomes almost louder than contact.

 

Anna-Lena Krause:
Proximity, absence, distance – these are often treated as psychological states, but they’re deeply physical too. The body always registers them first. Through rehearsal, we found that a slight shift in breath or angle could say more than any dialogue. The challenge was in restraint. We had to resist the urge to explain, to dramatise. The work is quiet, deliberate. Sometimes it felt like too little was happening – but that was the point. We wanted to leave space – for the viewer, for the unsaid, for the discomfort that comes with waiting.

There’s also an element of chance that runs through both the performance and the AI-generated video that accompanied it. Human encounters are unpredictable. The story we tell – of closeness, of care – could always unfold differently. So I created an AI video that embraced that randomness. It rearranges the visual narrative each time, echoing the idea that our connections are never fixed – they’re contingent, contextual, always on the verge of becoming something else.

In a world that’s constantly reaching out, perhaps it’s time we sit with the almost-touch. What lingers in the space between? We’ll leave that in your hands.
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Inside IAMISIGO’s ‘Dual Mandate’: Bubu Ogisi‘s Vision at CPHFW https://www.numeroberlin.de/2025/08/inside-iamisigos-dual-mandate-bubu-ogisis-vision-at-cphfw/ Fri, 15 Aug 2025 17:05:19 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=62895

IAMISIGO’s SS26 collection Dual Mandate reclaims a colonial phrase, transforming it into a personal philosophy: self-preservation and perception, protection and openness to be adorned and aware. It sees the body as a bio-electric landscape of body, mind, spirit and emotion, tuned through grounding fibres like cotton, sisal, raffia, and jute and radiant metals, glass, and plastics.

Using ancestral techniques like hand-weaving, chainmail forging, glass blowing, and fibre knotting, each piece carries dual energies: hardness and tenderness, stillness and motion, presence and prayer. Dual Mandate is a quiet revolution in perception, dressing for both the world we walk through and the one vibrating just beyond it.

We had a conversation with IAMISIGO’s creative director, Bubu Ogisi, following her presentation at Copenhagen Fashion Week, this year’s Zalando Visionary Award winner, to discuss her inspiration, creative process and learn more about her vision.

This wasn’t about chasing a debut for it’s own sake, it was about arriving when the story, the work and the community were ready to meet the moment.
James Cochrane
Nicole Atieno: You’ve just unveiled your debut collection at Copenhagen Fashion Week, what emotions are you sitting with right now?

Bubu Ogisi: A mix of grounded gratitude and quiet exhilaration. This wasn’t about chasing a debut for it’s own sake, it was about arriving when the story, the work and the community were ready to meet the moment. Standing here under the Zalando Visionary Award, recognized for design excellence, social impact, and innovation, feels deeply affirming. It means the work of preserving ancient technologies and artisanal craft is resonating beyond our immediate cultural context.

Was there a moment during the show, maybe a look, a sound, or even a pause, where you felt the entire journey crystallize?

Yes, just before the final look, there was a pause where the soundtrack kind of fades out, everything went silent like the room held it’s breath. That was a moment where I became very aware of everyone who had contributed to IAMISIGO. All the fellow creatives, artisans, our friends and community. It felt like the space was holding the energy of the ancestors and communities whose stories and skills had carried us here.

Your collections often feel like living archives, how did you decide which parts of your heritage and research to bring forward this season?

SS26 draws from our archive of oral histories, ancient weaving, dyeing techniques and ritual adornment practices. I focused on elements that reflect cultural resilience, garments as vessels carrying knowledge across generations. These were paired with design interventions that honor the original craft, while introducing new forms and functions, keeping the tradition alive in a contemporary landscape.

It felt like the space was holding the energy of the ancestors and communities whose stories and skills had carried us here.
In SS26, textures and shapes seem to fluctuate between structure and fluidity. What does that tension represent for you?

It’s the meeting point of protection and possibility. Structure is our armor, built through centuries of refined technique; fluidity is the openness to innovation and reinterpretation. That tension is where ancient craft meets modern design thinking.

You’ve described your process as “energy architecture.” How did that concept guide the materials and silhouettes for this collection?

I see garments as containers for Time, Memory and Movement. This season, that meant constructing silhouettes using materials that carry spiritual and tactile resonance, woven cotton, raffia, sisal,  recycled hand crafted metal work, recycled plastics, while engineering them in ways that allow freedom of motion. It’s about building forms that hold cultural energy yet adapt to new contexts.

How did your time with artisan communities directly shape what we saw in Copenhagen?

Every texture came from a collaboration rooted in trust and shared purpose. These are not outsourced “techniques” but living traditions we are committed to preserving. Our work together is as much about economic empowerment and sustaining livelihoods as it is about creating beauty.

I see garments as containers for Time, Memory and Movement.
James Cochrane
The show felt like more than a runway, it was almost ceremonial. What rituals or symbolic gestures did you weave into the presentation?

We began with soundscapes from artisan workspaces, loom rhythms, dye vat splashes, bead taps, milliners, so the audience stepped into our ecosystem before the first look appeared. The model pacing echoed processional movement, transforming the runway into a ritual space where tradition and innovation could coexist.

You often speak about memory and ancestral teachings. How do these metaphysical concepts influence your design language for SS26?

They’re the blueprint. The cuts, negative spaces and layering draw on inherited knowledge systems that predate written records. By translating these into wearable forms, we keep those teachings alive, not in a museum but in motion, on bodies, in daily life.

Some garments carry an unpolished, raw quality. How important is it for you to leave traces of the maker’s hand visible?

It’s essential. Those traces are a form of authorship, they connect the wearer directly to the maker and the maker to an unbroken lineage of craft. In an industrialized system, those marks would be erased; we choose to amplify them.

Sustainability in your work goes beyond materials, it feels philosophical. How do you define it today?

For me, sustainability means the continuity of cultural ecosystems, passing on techniques, ensuring artisans can thrive, designing pieces that retain relevance and integrity over decades. It’s as much about social impact as it is about environmental responsibility.

How do you navigate the balance between personal storytelling and creating pieces that resonate universally?

By starting from the truth. When a story is deeply rooted, authentic enough to be specific, yet open enough for others to find connection through shared human themes like protection, celebration, and memory. For example, the shape of the runway for our show was a portal, linking worlds together – ancient and modern- telling stories that have passed through time.

Tradition is a living organism, it’s not frozen in time.
Your use of traditional craftsmanship alongside experimental techniques is striking. How do you decide when to honour tradition and when to push boundaries?

Tradition is a living organism, it’s not frozen in time. I listen to the craft: sometimes it demands absolute fidelity, other times it invites reinterpretation. That interplay is where innovation thrives without erasing the origin.

How has winning the Zalando Visionary Award shaped your path since January?

The award validated our belief that preserving ancient technologies and artisanal craft can be an engine for design innovation and social change. It gave us resources to invest in our artisan networks and the freedom to experiment without compromising cultural integrity.

We hope to be able to continue pushing African heritage techniques into new silhouettes and contexts.
James Cochrane
Has the support and network from Zalando opened creative or business possibilities you hadn’t considered before?

Yes, but Beyond financial support, it’s opened a global platform to tell our story, connected us to collaborators across disciplines and shown that innovation rooted in heritage has a powerful place in contemporary fashion.

When you think of the next chapter for IAMISIGO, what seed from this award do you most want to see grow?

We hope to be able to continue pushing African heritage techniques into new silhouettes and contexts. To continue deepening economic empowerment for artisan communities across all borders and to evolve ancient technologies into future-facing solutions, a kind of cultural preservation through reinvention.

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